Tuesday, February 05, 2013


Any avowedly disinterested (or, more accurately, incorrectly instructed) atheocrat or atheosecularist who quotes from the Book of Leviticus during any argument about sexual morality, policy or practice is using it in the same way as political ignorants quote the example of The Third Reich, as criticised in 'Godwin's Law'.

A good example of this appears in today's 'Guardian', provided by the grand-daughter of the man who invented the concept of the 'dominant minority'.

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Blogger PTET said...

Your argument would work better if Catholics didn't refer to Leviticus regularly when discussing homosexuality.

For example:

"An explicit condemnation is found in the book of Leviticus" - Catholic.com

"The bible condemns homosexuality in Leviticus" - CatholicBible101

Of course, Catholics downplay the OT compared with the NT... But conservative Protestant sects can be hilariously selective in their insistance on OT morality.

05 February, 2013 13:26  
Blogger Martin said...

Or perhaps even in their insistence on OT morality.

"All of Scripture teaches the unacceptability of homosexual behavior. But the rejection of this behavior is not an arbitrary prohibition. It, like other moral imperatives, is rooted in natural law—the design that God has built into human nature. " -

From the same page on Catholic.com that you linked to.

Article 2358 of the Catholic catechism -

"2358 The number of men and women who have deep-seated homosexual tendencies is not negligible. This inclination, which is objectively disordered, constitutes for most of them a trial. They must be accepted with respect, compassion, and sensitivity. Every sign of unjust discrimination in their regard should be avoided. These persons are called to fulfill God's will in their lives and, if they are Christians, to unite to the sacrifice of the Lord's Cross the difficulties they may encounter from their condition."

From the same page on Catholic Bible 101 that you linked to.

Thanks for those links, by the way, they're great.

06 February, 2013 10:43  
Blogger PTET said...

My pleasure.

If it's reasonable for you to quote the OT in support of your opinions, why is it not reasonable for anyone opposing you to quote the parts of the OT (even the NT) that you'd rather ignore?

Second, you provide religious grounds for discriminate against homosexuals. Why should anyone who does not share your religion be subject to your religious views on what is "natural" of built by "God"?

06 February, 2013 11:39  
Blogger Martin said...

Oh, no, another straw man in my comboxes! They're popping up all over the place! And this time it's the 'Conflating religious teaching with secular discrimination' gambit!

06 February, 2013 13:57  
Blogger PTET said...

You brought up Leviticus. I don't see how that is a strawman. Why should I be bound by its laws? We don't outlaw astrology or tattoos or pork or divorce. We don't stone people to death or take our enemies as slaves or wives.

06 February, 2013 14:10  
Blogger Martin said...

"You brought up Leviticus."

No I didn't, Polly Toynbee did. Do I sound like Polly Toynbee to you?

"Why should I be bound by its laws?"

Ah, I see you agree with the doctrine of free will. Good for you!

"We don't outlaw astrology or tattoos or pork or divorce. We don't stone people to death or take our enemies as slaves or wives."

There's that straw man again! Is he a nice cuddly straw man, like Ray Bolger in 'The Wizard of Oz', or a mean-spirited straw man with guns in his eyes, like the one in 'Live And Let Die?'

'Oh when you were young,
And your heart was an open book,
You used to say, 'Live And Let Live'
(You know you did, you know you did, you know you did)...'

Sorry, got a bit carried away there.

It is just as well that we do not outlaw tattoos or pork or divorce, if only because banning tattooed people with bad bacon sandwich habit from getting divorced would have a catastrophic impact on the finances of the solicitors' profession.

06 February, 2013 22:32  

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